Why destiny quit sc2

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Destiny Showmatch Series Showmatch 6. Getting banned on purpose from each forums. Ending all my twitch subscriptions to SC2 channels. Done donating to any SC2 causes. Adding all SC2 related websites to pihole blacklist. AOE2 is having a resurgence due to DE. Getting the game back to a balanced state at this point impossible - Zerg has been OP for so long now that the herd community actual thinks that those players are better.

They are too busy. They did well. You know perfect balance is impossible. And please try to understand them. They get too much work and less partners, you get less and less friends.

When you have a little ability to balance the game one day and you will feel the despair of David Kim and admire he did well. AoE2 DE is getting monthly updates, and devs are not afraid of killing Meta, or experimenting a lot. Take zerg whiners with you!

Sacrifice yourself for better good! I only need less time can get the sense of achievement. A new patch mean some new experiments. MOBA patch can do it too. There is nothing that Blizzard can do better. Eh, this rung true a few years ago but lately, the balance team has been objectively bad at their jobs. Observer nerf is still one of the dumbest and least impactful nerfs ever made in the history of sc2.

I've said something publicly once in the beginning of hots and I realied its the wrong way to do it. Just for balance here. I think what were seeing here above anything else is frustration. To him many of the issues didn't improve and those who had more swing than he didn't do enough coupled with not being present for HOTS. Frankly I don't blame him, however;. You're not wrong Gretorp, but you know this already. The manner of which, lack of filter, professionalism or bad place and time has always been a detriment for Destiny.

But I think it is perfectly fine to OWN occupying a space that perhaps isn't a good fit for another. Destinys lack of filter is what made him successful. Nobody in his chat watches him play league or CSGO for high level gameplay. It's for his dank memes and no filter gf. What Blizzard want and what's best are two totally different things.

Talking to Blizzard in private about issues without any public pressure means that they can just sweep the criticisms under the carpet without addressing them. The reason Blizzard dislike Destiny is because they don't like that he's hurting their reputation in the scene. Which when it comes to Starcraft is completely justified. Blizzard approach to Starcraft has been terrible, not only when it comes to the actual gameplay, but they completely dropped the ball when it came to the esports side.

Seems to me that Destiny was the kid that said that the emperor had no clothes on. And no, it was not very constructive feedback. In fact, the constructive part of his rant revamping the Arcade was completely dropped after time. What followed was something that is symptomatic for Internet debates.

Reduce the cause to one person. Attack him personally and claim that he poisoned the well for all of us. Deny everything that can be denied.

Lots of throwing shit at each other with no results. It's the failure of the community and their so-called pillars to deal with the issue appropriately and convert it to something that strengthens the game and the community.

Instead, the annoying ded gaem meme was born. Why would Destiny have to be the leader of that movement? Didn't the other community figures have an interest in this as well? What is your point? You have a voice outside of the front of the camera. Unless you have signed an NDA in that regard, nobody will hold it against you to criticize issues in a civilized manner.

My thing is Destiny's beef with Day9 and other streamers coming back for LotV is not good for the community but, how on earth is him shitting on the game and selling us that the game is a dead game good for the community.

Dude, I can tell you I am pumped as shit seeing people come back. It got me playing again. I will be pumped when Day9 is back. If they come back for only a week, how is that bad? We need to be 1 on Twicth again. Even if just for launch week. Destiny is entertaining and gets us talking but I feel like he is making the SC2 community into the Elitest Hardcore community where if you haven't been here since BW you're a fucking scrub.

We need to be inclusive and welcoming. This rant was hardly either of those. Because the game is fucking dead. And it's up to Blizzard to save it. Sure what Destiny is saying is harsh but it's true. See I disagree.

The game isn't dead. Its gone done hill a bit but watching IEM today, this is in no way dead. Everything Destiny says only hurts the community. How long will this charade last? First step to solving a problem is to acknowledge it. Not that phony "Starcraft 2 is perfect, you're over-reacting crap" followed by leaving SC 2 everybody seems to think is desirable behaviour.

SC2 was 1 on Twitch at some point, what good did it do? Blizzard takes years to implement the things that were available in previous games. Have you guys forgotten that Dota was just a WC3 map? Whats funny to me is that IEM is going on right now, and the grand total on number is what? Here we are all bitching about whos right instead of focusing on the issue that Destiny tried to point out. The game isnt working. It wont be a good spectator sport. This game is doomed to repeat history with the next expansion and Destiny is saying so.

Dont get mad at him because he stated an opinion. Maybe they just got bored with the game as it didn't really change for a while, and now they are getting hyped again as it is becoming interesting again with information coming out about LoTV etc.

Can someone explain to me why Destiny is so innocent in regards to what he is saying? Why is it ok for Destiny to criticize other community leaders for coming back to SC2 when he himself has been grinding league of legends constantly last month and shown very little interest in SC2 himself? I understand his resentment towards other members of the community as they all sort of left him hanging and or threw him under the bus Looking at you Wheat. What gives Destiny the right to criticize though?

What has he been doing the passed few months that he deserves to be calling all the other shitters out like this? Someone please tell me. He's not. At all really, but it is easy to understand how so many will just never want to say the dude is right or credit a lack of grace to mean an incorrect stance. Content creators were originally a passionate person that loved a game. Now people pretend to love every decision of a game company, every game, every character, they love every fan.

They don't speak out against the hand that feeds them and they pretend to love all their fans because its what earns them the most donations. Day 9 isn't one of those donations whores but there are others that act perfect and act like this loving player that never rages and inspires to improve because it gets donations from kids.

Look up the saga between night blue reporting imawtpie its enbarrasing. He went full pr mode to increase his stream view count and improve his fake persona "I will change I love the game just like you" all for donations. I fucking hate how companys started being in it for the money and now streamers are. Yes you need to pay bills but surely there are better ways the sucking up to everyone and pretending like you are some bloody holy angel. The dishonesty of the people Destiny was talking about has bothered me as well.

For instance, I love itmeJP's tabletop content but it being run by the guy that pretended nothing was wrong with SC2 before jumping ship does rub me the wrong way. Honestly it makes me appreciate people who are still in the scene more.

I mean, people like Kevin are still all about the scene, like to me it seems he still has a passion for SC 2, or TB, the guy took a break because of cancer but he's back now still organizing online tournaments. During WoL and especially before he left during HotS Destiny was the largest, most vocal sc2 personality who dared talk about all the problems sc2 had. And no one would listen to him. DJWheat got angry about it, and look at him now. Day9, Artosis, the one big dude from EG who's name I don't remember.

All of them refused to even conceive of the fact that SC2 needed help, and the very idea itself was distastful or some nonsense. It's so stupid. Now none of them support the scene and are so far up Blizzards weird hairy asshole playing some of the worst games for no reason.

In a way, I think some people, like Destiny for instance, are happy SC2 is dead. For so long, so many people refused to listen to any kind of criticism, even when it was all valid, and Blizzard did nothing but change some values on unit damage and the MS of units. And now we're left with this.

So the casters are going to do the same thing the players are going to do? Reinstall the game for LotV and then get bored after a week? At least grubby explained why he's taking a break until legacy Swarmhosts. I don't blame him, at least he explained why he temporarily left unlike day9. He'll be back for lotv though he said. What's Grubby doing in the mean time?

Never really followed him, but I think he's a cool guy and seeing as eSports is kind of his life, it'd be nice to know how he's spending the down-time. I remember Destinys rant on ITG with painuser etc Day9 has contributed to the community more than most current broadcasters will in their time here. It surprises me that even after everything he's done he gets shit for wanting to move on due to boredom and then when something new is out come back because he wants to.

I mean it's not like he tried to sell us anything shitty, the dailies were free, he did plenty of commentary and helped elevate SC2 to a more mainstream audience.. I don't think that is what Destiny's problem was, no one can deny Day9 did incredible things for the community, he is frustrated with a lot of those known members who insisted that nothing was wrong or needed to change and then bailed when the game started to decline, only to return as though it didn't happen. He is upset that influential members didn't rally for the change needed for the game to grow and thrive.

Destiny is really vocal about the "sellouts" that left sc2 only come back for a cash grab, but I don't see how what he's doing is any different.

He seems like a bit of a hypocrite and even a bit of a drama queen. You completely missed the whole point of it.. He didn't say the problem was necessarily that they were playing other games and not making starcraft content anymore.

What bothers him is that these personalities who all said starcraft was the perfect game and had no problems were quick to jump off the sinking ship and didn't do anything to address the problems. That's because he didn't actually watch the video and just made his comment based off of the title of this thread. If he actually did watch the video This is crap too.

Day9 absolutely did point things that were not right with SC2. He's not talking balance, he's talking design. He talking about micro, something Lalush later went into great detail about, how BW engine allowed for much more interesting micro, and SC2 suffers because of that.

Business model is a big part tbh. I really didn't get into watching SC 2 until HotS was already scheduled to be starting a beta. And at that point i would have to buy 2 full games to play one, instead of buy one, play it until HotS comes out and feel i got more out of my money. Happy that Lotv is stand-alone for that reason, allows people like me that were late to the SC 2 train to hop in and try and stop the game from being dead :P. What did Destiny do to address the problem? Make a big rant about how the game would be dead before LotV or was it HotS?

The only thing that writeup has done that comes to mind is creating the "dead game" meme that has caused plenty of people to not wanting to check out Sc2 or return to it cause they thought it was true. I guess some of it can give Destiny a chance to say "I told you so" too, very useful indeed. In the meantime the people he's calling out, guys like JP, Wheat, Day9 etc did not criticize Blizzard, but instead created a lot of content that the community enjoyed, and probably recruited a good amount of people to the game through that content.

Even if they didn't voice concerns purely out of PR reasons, they instead did a lot of good for the scene through their own actions. They saw something they could do to enhance the community and themselves , and they did it. Actions speak louder than words. Let me stress that Destiny has done positive things for the community too, but the mentioned writeup is hardly one of them.

Now I think that you're missing point too. What Destiny did was basically call the future of the game. If blizzard didn't make changes, the game would die and lose out to games like LoL and Dota. He doesn't have the following to change it on his own with his own fanbase. That's why he made the write-up, to put his opinion out there and hope people start sharing his ideas and come together to fix it.

They did make great content, but that did shit all in the grand scheme of things. One of destinys main point is that blizzard needs to implement a way to make money besides the purchase of the game. Even if you are strongly bias against Destiny he was one of the first if not the first to address a lot of the issues that causes the stagnation and decline of the scene. I'm not saying Destiny is our esports savior or that he is the only fixing our problems and whatever but when you compare him to other personalities that have been involved with Starcraft he was very transparent on the things that he did.

If he stopped playing he would be blatantly state that he did it because he felt there was a lot of potential growth in whatever he was doing or for financial reasons. Where as other personalities dropped starcraft in the decline without saying a word or making statement and expect to be able to show back up in the scene when the money comes back like they never left. That is what makes him angry about it. All of those arguments are bullshit.

Destiny can be as transparent or as opaque as he likes, and so can Day9 and anybody else. None of them owe us a damned thing, most especially not Day9, who in my opinion was the absolute worst example he could have chosen. I doubt there is a person who has done more for the SC2 scene than he has, or has done it for a longer period of time. He drops out of the scene for a few months, and regardless of his reasons, that is perfectly okay.

He has done enough. Whether he comes back or not we should all be thankful to him for giving us so much rich content and generally making the scene better. If he wants to come back, whether for money or for love of the game, we should all be happy because the end result is that we get more solid content.

I can't possibly fathom what there is to complain about, especially if you are someone who has done, in my opinion, markedly less for the game than the one you're complaining about For example: Destiny.

The point is, if people had listened to destiny instead of essentially "fanboying" over SC2 things might have turned out better. When i say "fanboying" I am simplifying the matter, i am sure they had reasons to do it, even if they agreed with destiny, they probably faced the choice of agreeing with him and trying to "fix" SC2 or they could shunt him and come up with a contingency plan. Have we really come to the point where people are deluding themselves into thinking that a handful of community members publicly criticizing Blizzard would push them into making big changes to the game?

Who knows what they discussed with Blizzard employees outside of the public eye, where it makes sense to bring up concerns about the game. And even then, there's only so much you can do to tweak the agenda of a multi-billion dollar company, especially when you can make big claims about how much money they will be rolling in if they do this and that when your ass will not be on the line if it turns out to not bring in the promised numbers. Honestly, the only result I've seen from the whole ordeal is a community that has become so jaded that it seems intent on imploding on itself no matter what happens.

And the final payoff seems to be to push for an end to the whole scene only so people can shout from the rooftops that "we told you so" at Blizzard.

Yeah but then the second they realized that the content they were creating had reduced financial return, they instantly dropped the game they claimed was so perfect and healthy.

Destiny addressed the problem by pointing out fundamental problems with the gameplay of SC2 and it's longevity nearly 3 years ago, and sure enough, nobody in the position to make decisions paid any attention.

And look at SC2 now. I am pretty sure that Destiny clearly stated multiple times that SC2 was a "dead game". Specifically that the game no longer had any monetary value.

So yes Destiny has played other games, but he is one of the few people who actually were able to admit SC2 was a dying game while many other people, DJ Wheat, itmeJP, etc.

I love Day9. I am a huge fan. I honestly like him so much that I am glad there might be a reason for him to come back. But Destiny is legitimately calling out a lot of people who shunned him when he first switched to LoL and now are shunning him again that he is criticizing people who are clearly doing LotV cash grabs.

My advice. Try to fucking listen to the video and the entire rant before making retarded comments. Neither of them lived off of streaming SC2 og casting SC2 full time. DJWheat could probably have voiced concerns alongside Destiny, but I don't think he had the influence. The true heavy hitters would have been either very well respected pros, such as Grubby or the most popular casters, such as Day9 and artosis.

As i remember it, loads of other people were criticizing blizzard's decision in their own ways. Day9, Grubby, why in the world would they stand behind the kinds of things Destiny said? I'm not saying they were bad things to say, but this polarization has always been the price Destiny had to pay for his antics.

It makes him more funny, but it also alienates if not himself, then his message to a lot of people. Call me overly sensitive, but when he really goes off i have to tune out as well.

It's not a criticism and it doesn't mean i'm shunning him. But it does mean if i was ever part of a debate or discussion in which we were proponents of the same side, i would try to distance myself. Not feeling comfortable with the exact message of someone doesn't mean you are shunning them, at least to me.

Maybe that's not what you mean by shunning. As for "admitting that SC2 was a dying game". It's not dead in any meaningful way, and it won't be in the near future. People play and compete and commentate and whatever else It would be less, and they would be "Happy amateurs" - but is that so bad? I don't have time to play anymore, but there are two games i kinda still keep up with and look at. That's Quakelive and SC2. On the subreddit for Quakelive a post getting 12 upvotes counts as an extremely active "sweeper".

That game sure isn't dead either. There are few players, and like a bunch of quasi-luddites they hang out mostly in really old forums - but it is certainly alive. I think that goes to the heart of this dispute. Who ever really "denied the fact" that SC2 looked to have a strong decrease in viewership compared to some of the Esport rivals?

I never heard much of that actually.